Don't ya just hate it!

[Niemmy]

I was thinking of starting business fabricating metal gates and dog runs stuff like that, And nearly every property has a gate or a dog on it so business probably will be ok. So what do you think Katz?

[katzz]

I think that would be a good idea . You can do fancy gates , a pipe or metal bender can be gotten second hand. and I am sure people would want gates to keep the kids in the yard and others dogs out. A dog box or run here at wal mart starts around 80 .
Alot of buisness es use steel cages for there products to moves around also . There is a buiness in Henderson that they make racks and bins , cages steel shelves and that kind of thing.
You might want to look around and ask the suppley people at local manufactoring plants about there racks or bins also.
I would say that all the about could be produced with the same kind of metal fabircation set up but truthfully since I don't know much about weilding I can't say. I know enough about weilding to know I don't know anything really about it. Never done it. I can't stand to be hot. I get so bitchy when i get warm its just weird. So I try to stay in the cold.
Another thing that brings good money is trout fishing nets.
My brother makes them and like you said you have some nice woods there.
You know how to make a frame and to steam wood. Like 30 -40 mints. for every half inch right depending on the wood. Wrap it around the shape and let it harding , I think you drill the hole for the nets before you shape it. Not hard to do They start at about 45 and go up into the hundreds for really pretty ones. My brother makes them . When he works he makes about 38 and hour but sometimes he is out of work for a year. And I think he keeps his benifits.

Every now and again I sell twisted sticks on ebay and they start at 50 and go up. Depends on the twists. wood etc. and carving.
I sold five to one man who lives not far from here , but that was years ago. You know the small trees that vines grow around and choke them till they grow like a corkscrew. Remove the bark and the vine and the inner bark. sand smooth and stain a nice golden color.
Something out of the ordinariy is to just get a pan with ridges and you can pan for gold. Course it has to be where your looking but you can check with local univ. lib. and they can tell you who to ask like the geology dept . or something. Its fun and sometime you can find garnets and other stones.
Strangly enough over here in big citys dog walkers make a killing. Pick the dog up and walk it and as many others on leashes as you can handle safely and charge 10-20 an hour. or so much a week , people plant set also. someone goes on vac. all you do is go in a water the plants. take in the mail. etc. turn lights off and on so people don';t know the people who live there are gone on vac.
You can get 20 an hour or more for a real massage . not the other kind. but people are tense and need a good rub down once i n a while. If you work out of a shop with the tats, get a book on deep tissue masssage and go to work . Of course you must behave your self if imogen ,comes in and wants a massage. Can you handle that? She is pretty .

other ways to make moneys . lets see .
You can make jewlery on the lathe. I once saw a necklace that to this day I think was the prettist piece of jewlery I ever saw that was made from seashells. It was on a gray silk cord and the shells had been cut cross ways to show the sprials and the small ends were pointed down , and the top row had around ten slices evenly spaced and the next around 6 slices , I saw this thing 34 years ago and the shell colors and the cord were just right together and the whole piece radiated harmony in desien and balance. I never knew who the artist was but that one necklace was perfect. It was in a store in old Savanna Georgia. Way down on the water front. My brother was stationed at the Marine corps base in south carolina and we went to visit him.
You know that sceane in gone with the wind where the camera pulls back on the field hosp. and you see all the wouded people . I was in that place . There was a feild next to it were the fighting really did take place . [civil war] There is a place not far from here were the confederates were camped on one side of a rail road track. [track is stillused] and the rebs snuck up the other side of the tracks and ambushed them at breakfast. Shot at them from over the tracks. The little town this happend at is called Slaughteres because of it. My niece just moved over by that spot ,and she is scert outta her skin. She is going to make her m omma move in with her while her hubby goes on seconds.
I think I gotta tell her the ghosts stories cause I like to scare young people Hahaha, Arent I a stinker.

[Niemmy]

Yer I'm gonna make some gates for my own place first , I was thinking of a SPIDER WEB pattern and a big chrome spider in the center of each side of the gate. I think it would look pretty cool, A black frame around the gate and the inside web bars in red , I think that would look pretty damn awesome! But I will have to buy a pipe bender and a drop saw for cutting the metal to get those proper angles of cuts. And Such!


L&H

[katzz]

Not sure but I believe you could build a pipe bender. we have one. well he has one. There are a ton of really cool things you can make with one even plant stands , and I think the spider web gate sounds really neat but what would your mom say?
Figure out what metals you are going to work in and that should help you decide mig tig or arc . stick or wire.
Hubby uses a wire feed that has gas around the wire . flux core.
All I know about weilding you can fit in a thimble. Ask me about sewing.
One thing I want to learn before to long is how to kill mice with a blow gun. then hubby and I will have something else to do together at night.
Anit that romantic??? I anit goin to the dump to shot rats that fur shure dude!!! ok that was a joke. parts of it anyway. I anit goin frog giggin either!! Ever been frog giggin? Or snipe hunting.
If your ever over here and someone wants you to go snipe hunting don't do it. They will drop you off in the woods with a burlap bag and tell you they are going to run the snipe into the bag. all you gotta do is "hold the bag. " Its a very long walk back to town also. love ya bubba , Katz

[Niemmy]

Rat Shooting at the Dump hey! Now I see where I went wrong with women!" I always thought flowers and love songs " But nup roo shootin and eel fishing might be the key to romance ;D ;D ;D hehe

Do you know if those pipe benders can bend that square tube steel or just round tubing Katz?

L&H Niemmy

[Niemmy]

here imogen this is fur ya luv


She's mine now ;D ;D ;D ;D

[katzz]

Ours does round but I am sure you can get the parts to do square.
Yeap rat shootin at the dump under a full moon. Whoo wee. thats fun. not.
Ever go frog giggin? You take a long pole and put a large fork on the end and go out at night and spear the poor things. then you fry the legs and eat them. They twich and jump sometimes right out of the pan. sis says there good . but then she likes pirie osyters too. You know what they are??? Nasty bulls balls. oh yummy ugh.Can you imagine eatin them things ?? Talk about fear factor at least the cook them ,,,in garlic .ugh. I anit that hungry yet.
And yes there are cultures that consider rats good eatin , it keeps them from eating all the grain.
Bubba Your hearts in the right place gettin Imigin fur but I think the lady would much perfer a different kind of fur, hopefully processed.
I did run into a medicin man with a coyote coat . It was beautiful. He came in to help reburie some indian bodies that bad guys had raided the graves for artifacts. big money but bad bad medicine.
love and hugs Katz
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[Niemmy]

Ohh Love the horse katz but the girl looks just a little anorexic, Try checking out how Frank Frazetta does the female form with lots of curves...

Yummy verluptious women

I don't know where women get the idea that men love stick figures!

But All an All a really good attempt Katz "Keep up the good work!"

[katzz]

Yeap she looks like shit. . I took around 5 hours to do the whole thing. I hate backgrounds and it shows.
I told my kids if she was standing up straight her arms would hang to her knees like a chimp .
And Frank Rules. No two ways about it. He has a museum in Penns. maybe upstate new York. I would love to go.
I have read that he could throw a massively awesome baseball and was in line for the major league and stuck with art.
How dull would fantasy art be with out him.
His nephew Ken Kelly also does album covers.
Have you gotten a myspace yet and if you do can I be your friend?
LOok at my page on myspace and check out some of the artists on there. Ledguro is a new to me artist and he kicks butt on horses and women , a lot like frank , Davied boltz is awesome and Juiloes airbrush , is reall good. If you click on the pic you can go to their pages and see the work they have done. I have two of Frazettas on there.
There are so many really really good artists out there sometimes I feel like no matter how good I get theres always someone better and then I have to tell myself , everyone has to find there own voice with there work. Then you can sing . I just have to find the voice that is mine. love ya ,Katz

[katzz]

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Hey I had this taken at Glamour shots this morning just for you!! Whadda ya think ? Is the hat too much? Who needs false teeth I will just gumm everything to pieces!!!

[katzz aka vampiria]

Well you know thats not me.
You put up a pic of vampiria . I always wanted to look like her. Never have not even when young.
We had a cabin in the woods of upper Michigan. On the weekends we would go there to get out of Det. . No running water ,no elec. No gas just a cabin my dad built from palets from the place he worked. he did buy the siding.
We would spend the weekend fishing or running wild through the woods and when the parents would start blowing the horn on the station wagon we would follow that to the cabin.
On the fishing trips we would stop in town to get bait and they had a very small section of magizines and I always got creepy ,Vampiria , Dac the Damned or what ever ghouls they had . Take them and read them just before the light faded away in the dark michagin woods . The out house was 100 feet away in the edge of the deep dark woods. Needless to say , I always waited till daylight.
Something tried to eat the door on it one night. Why anything would want to get into the outdoor john that bad when it smelled like that is beyond me. whoo.
Look out the back window one night on a full moon. I saw a bear. Full grown bear standing 20 feet from the back door. Standing on its back legs ,looked like it was 20 foot tall. I tired to wake my parents up and could not get a nod. So I sat in front of that door all night with my little 22 across my lap. I was less then 12 cause he died when I was 12 , Sat there all night protecting my family , course by dawn I was asleep. looked out the window with the morning sun lighting up the fields and the woods,that I saw eyes looking back at me more than once, and as the sun finaly crawled across the back field i was totally mortified to find out my horrible bad hungry bear was a cider tree . I was crushed . Thought I was a hero. not. I put my little gun up. { I still have it btw.dad bought it for me when I was 9] . and because of fear of ridicule I never told my brothers or sister. Still have not. Thats what happens when you read Vampiria in the deep dark woods at dusk. loveya Katz

[Niemmy]

Hi Katz
something went wrong with the pic I cant see it?

Full grown bear standing 20 feet from the back door. Standing on its back legs ,looked like it was 20 foot tall. I tired to wake my parents up and could not get a nod. So I sat in front of that door all night with my little 22 across my lap.

Shoot a bear with a 22 hey! Thats pretty game! I thought that would just piss him off hehe But luckly for you it just turned out to be a tree hehe

So are myspace pages actually worth the effort Katz?

yer I know what you mean about the girl that you drew, Doing the human form is one of the hardest things in art to achive, Mainly beacuse we all programed to recognize correct human proportions, And anything that even a little off can be spotted a mile away!Beauty and uglyness are just mere millimeters apart from each other! So maybe you should have a look for cheese cake tattoo art and copy them freehand over and over till you get them line perfect, Then move onto something more difficult like something by Olivia or Frazetta. But hey I never knew he was a ball player, Who ever think a mutton headed ball play could produce art like that? But then again I see a lot off sports starz moving into the arts rather than sports "Maybe it's there lack of self expression that drive them in that direction " "Go Figure!"

[katzz]

;D Ga day Bigrin!! What a sneakie coo coo! Not that I blame him. After a routine like that!
Tara Moss is a good writer is'nt she? I have been reading Ken Folloit/ Follet? book "Self Defence" .
How are you doing on your animation Fink? You have not posted any new pics of it for a while.
How is your moms hip ? Takes a long time for them toheal.
Sorry I have not been writing , got an earache and I think its from the teeth thing. { thinkin of sueing the guy for real}
Yesterday was hubbys 42 birthday. Spent it together taking his brother to the doc and then to the grocieres store. fun stuff. I got to do his moms shopping for her. Poor woman gave me the wrong pin number . Had to call her and get it. wee.
What have you been working on??
I made a small cat stutue to go with the model horses. I was not done and it was very rough.but I had to leave it sit by its self before I was ready , so my cat who was to have been sitting flat on its bottom , straight up and sniffing noses with a draft horse kinda looks like he is now drunkernkooterbrown kinda melts over to his right side and his little cat head slipped back towards its back and to the right and the two legs in the front look like they are hugging something and the whole thing looks ready to tip over backwards cause he is totally smashed and staggering. On the whole it really looks like a drunk cat.
I think Robin Williams is one of the funnist guys on the planet. Ron White is funny , Jeff foxworthy . Larry the cable guy is a hoot.
Hey my brother got another story published . He sometimes writes for a small , really small trout fishing publication. Its called "the river" Bro and his wife trout fish and guide people sometimes. He is a steel worker when he can find the work though.
So he writes about trout fishing and woods stuff.
I think I told you , we grew up in Det. and had a cabin in the woods were they turned us loose on the weekends. When we were not in the piney woods we were bugging dad to take us to one of a thousand ponds to fish for bluegill.
I bought a blender to make bannana stuff and mix things. My son vanished into his room with it and the bannanas and keeps bringing stuff out of his room that he has concockedted. I am afraid. very afraid. he used to make cookies and I told him to follow the recipe. he likes to add chile powder cause its the same color as cinnimon , bad cookies. bad cookies. shiver. anyways , love you as always , katzz

[Niemmy]

Ga day Katz

Tara Moss is a good writer is'nt she?

I wouldn't know I have never read any of her books! I just lust after her hehe

How are you doing on your animation Fink?

Mad Max Fink "Beyond Chunder Dome"Yer ok But I wish I had spent more time on it, Instead of dealing with other life issues, But i'm gonna throw myself into the project again!But it looks like I will be sent back to Work for the dole soon so I don't know if I will ever get the time to finish this project. To many people stealing what little time I have left Major Bummer that!

Yesterday was hubbys 42 birthday.

Well happy birthday Katz other half! I hope you have many many more! I never celerbrate birthdays myself they always seem like a count down to death as far as I'm concerned.

I made a small cat statue to go with the model horses

Oh well now you will have to post a pic so I can see it.

Hey my brother got another story published . He sometimes writes for a small , really small trout fishing publication. Its called "the river" Bro and his wife trout fish and guide people sometimes. He is a steel worker when he can find the work though.
So he writes about trout fishing and woods stuff.

you are going to have to post the article if you can get your hands on a copy katz, But hey thats really cool! SO your brother is rather chuffed i take it?

I bought a blender to make bannana stuff and mix things. My son vanished into his room with it and the bannanas and keeps bringing stuff out of his room that he has concockedted. I am afraid. very afraid. he used to make cookies and I told him to follow the recipe. he likes to add chile powder cause its the same color as cinnimon , bad cookies. bad cookies. shiver.

Hehe a new Jamie Oliver!! Oh well being a mum you have to dutifully eat it and smile and say it taste great, So you don't make him lack confidence in his career as a chef.. hehe

L&H Niemmy